Opened at 09:46.
Present: Børre, Ciprian, Jovsset, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond
Absent: David
Agenda accepted.
Meeting memos can be found at http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos
Working towards the release, in the first week of February. Both the ped tools and the core sme-nob dictionary.
oahpa.uit.no should be operative and shall be redirected to victorio.uit.no/oahpa/ . At the moment, it directs nowhere. Trond discussed this with Ingeborg. There is a typo, and it is already fixed. So, now both varieties are registered, and directed to victorio.uit.no.
TODO
- Register oahpa.no ( Trond )
- "bind" oahpa.uit.no to victorio.uit.no (and oapha.uit.no to oahpa.uit.no) ( UiT IT team )
- map oahpa.uit.no to victorio.uit.no/oahpa/ ( Børre, Saara? )
- Beta test at lib and give feedback ( all )
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
-
Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertiumand http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/apertium/) for a similar split)
- update/add missing parts
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- change the look of the documentation web
- sfst?
- replacement for xfst -> see omorf
, omorf wikiand omorfi
- replacement for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
- investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target groups
SVN issues:
- http access not yet available (https only at the moment, but it works as anonymous checkout if the user is not specified)
- read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
-
gt/*/polderland should be protected
-
plan should be protected
- certain users need to be on the UiT VPN to be able to commit (bug #705)
- UTF-8 problem in svn commit mails: the commit log text is garbled
SVN mail issue:
David still doesn't receive svn mails - his .forward file doesn't seem to work.
original david/.forward (until 10.00 today)
jonasson.david@gmail.com, david
now (from 10.00 today):
david.jonasson@samediggi.no
TODO:
- infrastructure remake: ( Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond )
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- merge gt, kt and st into one
- modularised preprocess and spellrelax
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have ( Ciprian, Sjur, Trond )
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- define and document testing routines ( Ciprian, Sjur, Trond )
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- follow-up migration to svn:
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths ( Ciprian )
- completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
- prepare and discuss with external users: Jack Ruether ( Trond )
- test iCal Server (on G5) ( Børre )
- remove TOC from the giellatekno home page by using dispatcher ( Trond )
Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms with a premade connection to our xml db. Orbeon XForms is such a tool (open source).
From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:
- no major rework on the present search interface now
- no work on the editing section; instead:
- add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
- add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality
This means the following tasks:
- find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form ( term team )
- convert paper lists to electronic lists ( term team )
- convert lists to standard XML ( Sjur, Tomi )
- add prepared lists to risten.no ( Sjur, Tomi )
TODO:
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) ( Sjur )
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element ( Saara )
- finish first version of the editing ( Sjur )
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond )
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) ( Sjur, Saara )
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara )
- implement data synchronisation between risten.noand the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) ( Thomas, linguists )
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset ( linguists )
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no ( Sjur )
- add missing parallel names for placenames ( linguists )
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists )
Dictionaries
Status
- sma-nob first alpha released internally before Christmas. Needs morphology.
- We need to finish one dictionary till the oahpa release:
- a subset of smenob / nobsme with the Álgosátnegirji and oahpa lemmas.
fst dic
verbs 3938# 1490
nouns 4372* 979
* = no trans
# = trans to swedish
- . add the additional verbs, with the swedish translations marked as such
- . add the swedish translations for all verbs
- . add morpho for the whole dict
take both translations? yes
syntax of verb-sma-lex.txt:
lemma:stem CONTLEX "translation" ;
needed in dict: lemma and declension class and translation declension class (I-VI) can be inferred from the continuation lexicon, the relevant class can be found in verb-sma-lex.txt and sma-lex.txt.
Milestone for smanob: the South Sámi seminar would be a nice opportunity to show our smanob dictionary, but only if using the Hemnes list seems acceptable by the audience, both in a legal and linguistic sense.
TODO:
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion ( Ciprian, Sjur, Trond )
- make simple installer applications
- make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries ( Sjur )
- short meeting to go through missing points before a release ( Ciprian, Sjur, Trond )
Hunspell
Beta6 released as part of the 1.1 release of the Divvun tools. Report all bugs in Bugzilla.
TODO:
- work on and debug compounds ( Børre, Thomas )
OpenXSpell
Working everywhere (almost) in MacOS X applications, provides Sámi spell checking system-wide through a hunspell back-end. OpenXSPell
There are two issues:
- strings with non-ASCII chars are always flagged
- asking for suggestions on words witn non-ASCII chars crashes OpenXSpell
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) ( Saara )
- test new and nested error markup ( Sjur )
- nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new ccat feature
Speller testing
TODO:
- test the error type selection feature in ccat ( Sjur )
- document the feature ( Tomi )
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.
Status as of the 1.1 release: 13 open sme bugs, 9 open smj bugs.
Open issues based on test results:
sme
Version: Davvisámi, version 1.1, 2008-12-17
- 425 - X not recognized; single letters were left out - OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj ) - still OPEN
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
- 581 - consonant doubling - still OPEN
- 595 - prefix+name without hyphen ( ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot ) - still OPEN
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - REGRESSION: compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat remaining - still OPEN
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN , open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
smj
Version: Julevsáme, version 1.1, 2008-12-17
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj , as opposed to sme
- 595 - prefix+name as split comp without hyphen - still OPEN
- 596 - REGRESSION: C-giellan is not accepted
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN , open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
- 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed ( gáktsalågenantjuotakta ), but still OPEN
- 711 - REGRESSION: numeral compounds and cases ( 10-biejvvásattja )
TODO:
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion ( Tomi )
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.1, 2008-12-17
- 468 - Márkomeanu - still OPEN
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas - still OPEN
- 548 - mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen - still OPEN
- 549 - division without hyph: Váccedettiin - still OPEN
smj
Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.1, 2008-12-17
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs - still OPEN
- 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is not rec.; Bug #711) - still OPEN
TODO:
- fix PL hyphenator errors ( Tomi )
Installer changes
TODO:
- make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools ( Tomi )
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative ( Tomi )
User documentation
TODO:
- InDesign documentation ( Sjur )
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
1.1 Release
To be added to the release e-mail:
"The 1.1 release also includes beta 6 of our Hunspell/OpenOffice spellers for North and Julev Sámi. They do contain known bugs, but they are already quite useful."
TODO:
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list ( Jovsset, Thomas )
Sámi week in Tromsø
Sigbjørn Skåden has asked the UiT gang to demonstrate etc at the Tromsø city Library as a part of that week and the happenings at the Library. The week around February 6th (February 2-8). Sounds like a good idea, we will be there.
- ped tools
- Sámi dictionaries
- Sámi proofing tools
- other things?
- European Charter for regional languages will have a meeting, Jovvset and Trond are going there
Launch ped + dict
- interviews with media
- library - demos
- talk at univ, wednesday (Trond)
Text to speech
Antti has hinted at the possibility of doing beta versions of other languages as well. We are thus now recording Greenlandic sentences. A further possibility would be smj, sma, this would require phon-smX.xfst files for these languages as well (a couple of days' work for smj, more for sma), plus recording.
Corpus contracts + open source
Postponed until the svn repository is fully functional (it is too open now).
The next meeting is 19.1.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.
David possibly away next Monday.
The meeting was closed at 11:38.